Later regional variations included some interesting changes for the Class8P passenger types in particular. RM CN0PKR - Britania 70000 in British Railways Livery at West Somerset Railway, Minehead, UK RM C1N4A7 - Totnes Littlehempston Station with Goods Vehicle in authentic 'British Railways' Livery, Totnes, Devon, England, United Kingdom RM ER5JCR - 46138 Royal Scot Class Steam Locomotive - British Railways L I wonder if you could make a hybrid of the two? I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. And if Northern are still running trains to Glasgow, a new paint job would be a great moment for the Government to stump up for good rolling stock. For 2mm/N equivalents, change the start of the reference number FRH4 for FRH2. Read more about them in our, National HQ competition for Great British Railways. And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have decided to take a step back towards a national rail network with the launch of Great British Railways (GBR). The history of British Rail's corporate liveries is quite complex. No.47373 in revised Railfreight "red stripe" livery. The Overground operates under its own livery. I imagine the LNER and GWR branding will be around the longest, as its allready kind of govt created and most in line with DfT standards. This livery suited these diesel hydraulic classes, and allowed the Western Region to once again show a degree of independence; it was not applied to any other diesel or electric classes (other than the Class 42/43 "Warships"). Now the charge of English nationalism is a tedious, largely Remainer trope that I have dealt with elsewhere. The double arrow is still overused, though. I don't think there would ever be multiple logos for Great British Railways as you've alluded to - it would make it complicated for the end passenger. It's a given that there will be brands underneath GBR - if there weren't, it would make travelling pretty complicated. 3,609. thomalex said: One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. I am confident I could design a better package in a few hours, and I am not a design professional. Which does what it says on the tin. Corridor coaching stock was originally trialled in LNWR coach plum and off-white (nicknamed Plum and Spilt Milk) before Crimson (carmine red) and Cream livery (nicknamed Blood and Custard) was adopted across the network; non-corridor stock was painted plain Crimson. I said this on another thread, but this is definitely a more appropriate one. The colour often appears inaccurately in photographs, generally appearing brighter and bluer than the real colour. British Railways was formed in 1948, it was divided into geographical regions loosely based on the pre-war Big Four company areas, Scotland became a region on its own and the former LNER area was divided into North Eastern and Eastern Regions. A number of sets of coaching stock and a handful of locomotives received the livery, as well as most new multiple units and some existing ones. Railfreight livery, a colour scheme specifically for freight locomotives, was unveiled when Class 58 58001 drove through a plastic screen at Doncaster Works on 9 December 1982. From 1966 until withdrawal, Pullman Coaches were also painted in the reversal of the normal coach livery, with the blue and grey areas transposed. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Something will need to be kept open for Open Access Operators to be distinguished. Differences should merely be factual, not corporate. You are using an out of date browser. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. It will replace Network Rail as the operator of rail infrastructure across all of Great Britain (excluding some Valley Lines in Wales and some Merseyrail lines). But then every time I look at a train, I'll think of a bus. The white paper does not specify whether the branding of devolved railways such as London Overground and Merseyrail will be affected.[7]. It will become a single familiar brand with a bold new vision for passengers - of punctual services, simpler tickets. A High Speed Train power car (loco) and coach in InterCity swallow livery. Historic fact is that Roman Britain was England & Wales and the name Great Britain was adopted once Scotland joined, even though today we may refer of GB as just Britain. 3 Apr 2022 . I'm inclined to disagree. Maybe a "way out" arrow similar to Thameslink's station signage could make it more exciting, while also adding a bit more functionality? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. for some form of co-branding. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. This colour was applied to all diesel and electric locomotives, with the exception of the ends, which were painted yellow to improve visibility, and the underframes and buffer beams which were painted black; the paints being to BSS 2660-0.003 and BSS 2660-9.103 respectively. Existing leases of stations to devolved transport authorities will continue. But such an approach offers a bleak long-term outlook for the UK. Rail alphabet had the advantage of being clear, legible and was pretty much consistently applied. And again, there may be scope to take back control of this. Bare minimum, low effort. The British Isles is a the collection of European islands consisting of Great Britain, the island of Ireland, Isle of Man and the northern islands that are part of Scotland. I'll give you an opportunity to make up a better more modern scheme then. Not so much the modern LNER though. I really quite like that now. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I wanted to go for something modern yet flexible. for some form of co-branding. In many ways having a 'Railway System' logo (the double arrow) for stations/journey planners but a different logo so people know the train is a 'big' intercity train or a 'small' stopping train is very helpful. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Nothing to bring it all together. [citation needed]. On the other hand Avanti's branding is awful - there is no "Italian flair" in it at all. Copyright 2023 Great British Railways Transition Team. But the point is that effort has gone into developing a brand and what it stands for, it isn't just harking back to the awful 1970s, a time people seem to be seeing with a large pair of rose tinted spectacles. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. The Great British Railways Transition Team is developing a range of rail freight growth target options. A mock-up for the British Railways Mark 2 stock was displayed at the Design Centre, 28 Haymarket, London, (the showrooms of the Council of Industrial Design) in 1964. into flashy advertising campaigns, the appearance of the showrooms (and their digital counterpart, the website), and the styling of their vehicles? Until the introduction of Mk1 catering vehicles in the late '50s, these trains had matching former GWR catering vehicles. There are some good brands out there - gWr for example is a superb piece of marketing prowess, alongside the "friendly nostalgia" of the Famous Five advertising. The Great British Railways Transition Team (GBRTT) seeks to deliver the most ambitious changes to our railways in a generation, working with the government and across the rail sector. All Regions. Every TfW station I've been to are still ATW-branded (in fact, Hereford yesterday). On 10 June 1986, British Rail launched Network SouthEast, an organisation designed to cut across the traditional regional boundaries and deliver a co-ordinated train service for London and the surrounding region. It's the name of the island ffs. Eastern, North Eastern and Scottish. They were numbered in two series, D5500-D5699 and D5800-D5862. I think it'll be more like East Coast (or whatever), the full height of the parallel tracks. In all of your concepts the Rail Symbol (double-arrow) is far too large for the accompanying lettering, if you're looking to be guided by the original design rules. Cross Country merged with EMT to form a brand called Midland Connect. JavaScript is disabled. [17] This livery is also often nicknamed 'toothpaste livery' by rail enthusiasts due to the multicoloured stripes resembling striped toothpaste. [14] While this livery had much in common with the "Large Logo" version of Rail Blue livery, including the yellow cabs and larger logo and numbers on the bodyside, the main colour was grey rather than blue. There is surely a case at least for putting the cross-border inter-city services in national colours (perhaps an updated take on Network SouthEast), to match the saltires splashed all over Scotrail trains. This grey panel finished just short of the end of the coach leaving a small amount of Rail Blue which then continued round onto the end of the coach. Scottish rolling stock not covered by the ScotRail livery (generally those on secondary services) received the Regional Railways livery, but with "ScotRail" branding. BR's first standard locomotive liveries, adopted from 1949 onwards. The rail system is no more a public service than coach companies or supermarkets. Great British Railways marks a new era in the history of our railways. The Double Arrow is used for stations on maps, so that's really a no-brainer frankly. In the early years the colour faded quite badly, becoming lighter and paler with time although this problem had been overcome by the late 1970s. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . It's already been seen with the government controlled LNER and GWR franchises for example. It may not display this or other websites correctly. It'll be operated quite differently. You are using an out of date browser. But we know that anyway - ScotRail is blue based, as was Regional Railways. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? Read about the differences between Britain, the. Antrim Princess Sealink ferry underway in Larne with Sealink letters. [13], On 5 February 2022, the Department for Transport launched a public consultation for the location of GBRs headquarters. In 1957 this changed to maroon with yellow markings and in 1963 bauxite with white lettering was adopted. 1948 -. One thing that might work, though, would be to drop the full text from the red band and just have a subtle double arrow on the right hand side in that. There just isn't room on a well functioning railway for true competition, so you might as well focus on the passenger experience, not the rail operator experience. Also, like I said, it's possible that they legally can't call it BR. I think there would be huge advantages of a standard livery and branding across the Britain, in saving money and presenting a unified product to the customer. The bottom one is basically Serco era Northern signage, and does look good to me, though I would go for a subtle double arrow in the bottom right as I said earlier, and omit the GBR text. I'm working on building a GBR brand from the ground up for the next few days (my calendar is completely empty), starting with a logo. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The 4REP and 3/4TC EMUs were a notable oddity, initially receiving all-over Rail Blue despite being express corridor stock. There have also been subtle font changes. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. I'm not convinced "InterCity" services warrant different branding now, as they are no longer of premium quality in terms of service provision; in many case they're just regional or commuter services (thinks XC and GWR in particular). What possible negatives are there to none enthusiasts? Underneath that in a smaller font, about half the height of the space between the botton track and the bottom of the arrow "Operated by [whomever] for Great British Railways". JavaScript is disabled. It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: People are understandably sceptical about the frequent rebranding of trains and stations carried out under the privatised system, so the branding will be introduced alongside other improvements. This idea often seems to pop its head up. We badly need that on the visual mess that is the railway. I would rather that operations were branded similar to how they are now, but with a few changes compared with the existing TOC areas as follows: Chiltern Railways renamed as Chiltern & Oxbridge, with brand used on all planned EWR services in addition to those from London Marylebone. I quite like that version; I think I might like it even more if the black and the red were blue instead though. Incorrect: Britain and Great Britain are synonymous, referring to either the largest island of the British Isles (in a geographical context) or the countries of England, Scotland and Wales (in a political context). All other brands (SE, Southern, Thameslink, SWR, GWR, TfW, Merseyrail, Overground, Crossrail, GA, c2c, Scotrail) remain as they are. I agree I think the NR logo in the circle looks better, but GBR is such a mouthful - its just latent fear of the British Rail brand. Within a period of 10 years, HSTs had three different liveries. Other examples are available Once they'd ditched single colour liveries, they didn't really do anything that wasn't ", One can only hope for a Sectorised return to NSE. Withdrawn 01001 is just visible at the rear. This livery was known as Large Logo livery as each side of the locomotive was dominated by a full body height BR double arrow symbol, and had the loco number prominently displayed at twice the previous size. Privacy Noticeand Website Accessibility. I don't see what's wrong with Rail Alphabet which is rather older than the 1980s - to be frank the branding shouts 60s, a period of branding I personally like but obviously that *is* personal - although you could just use Frutiger to keep the tie in with the other large national service, the NHS ( who used to use Rail Alphabet too ). Search for a trade mark - Intellectual Property Office (ipo.gov.uk), https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/912009372292780033, Somewhere along the West Anglia Main Line. Except their is massive nostalgia for BR days. Northern and TPE split into separate Northwest and Northeast brands. The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and its xenophobic, imperialist undertones make me want to vomit. though we may have to wait for a new govt for that to happen. (Something that ought to give die-hard advocates of splitting off the Scottish Conservatives pause for thought.) The livery was carried on the rolling stock, but also on a number of locomotives which were dedicated to mail and parcels traffic, mainly of Classes 47 and 90. A later version made minor changes to the livery, the main one of which was to darken the main shade of blue used. | Page 23 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. Make the name central and it'd be perfect. 1 Pre-corporate liveries 2 Early liveries 2.1 Coaching stock from 1948 2.2 The second phase 2.3 XP64 3 Rail Blue 3.1 Locomotives 3.2 Coaches and multiple units 3.3 Local variations 4 Moving away from Rail Blue 5 Sectorisation 5.1 InterCity 5.2 Network SouthEast 5.3 Regional Railways 5.4 Rail Express Systems 5.5 Railfreight Pre-corporate liveries The system just looks like a disparate random mish mash of different organisations each running trains in their own way. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. I never knew I had OCD until that remark lol. There'll no doubt be someone on here who knows, one way or the other. Not everyone has a smartphone and when the PIS is not working, I find it good to know where we've stopped. 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